Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Topic for Debate

Recently a couple of friends, a psychological professional, and me, have been debating a certain topic and I was hoping that we could get even more feedback if I blogged about it. As usual I am asking for your comments and thoughts on this subject because the more people that talk about it, the more chance we have to resolve it. The topic we have been debating is as follows: if you took 3 children and they were raised in 3 different environments, which would be the worst, have the most negative outcome, which do we as a society ignore the most/have the most empathy for, or would there be no difference?

 The first child is raised by two parents, but for the most part there is zero communication, and the child feels desperate and alone. The second child is raised by a single parent who literally doesn't have the time, energy or resources to properly care for and raise the child, so naturally the child grows up alone, confused, and probably has to fend for themselves. Lastly, the third child is raised in a 2 parent household, but predominantly by the father, and the father, who is quite successful, as opposed to ignoring the child, belittles him instead, mocks him, puts him down and tells him things such as you'll never amount to anything, or you're worthless. 

Now that you have had a chance to briefly understand these scenarios, which happen to be just a few of many, what is your opinion?  Who has a better chance at overcoming their individual situation? Should one of those kids feel worse than the other, would one have less self esteem than the other?  

Some of the points made were along the lines of:
The child who was completely ignored, yet had both parents around, often felt confused and unsure of what his parents actually thought of him.  When talking to an adult who was raised in this scenario, he mentioned how difficult it was for him to understand if they liked him, hated him, or just didn't care.  He summed it up best by saying, "I literally grew up, and I still ask myself this question, wondering why my parents had me, what was the point, and I must have been an accident"!  This individual specifically commented on how he second guesses many aspects of life, and has a hard time opening up to people, and trusting or confiding in them.  As he grew on his own he got involved with the wrong crowd, experimented with drugs and alcohol, and crime followed shortly.  It took many years of struggles before he was able to identify the loneliness and desperation he felt while growing up, which in turn led to many negative outlets.  He is a strong advocate for communication, and he is adamant that if he had the proper outlets when he was younger, many problems probably could have been avoided.

For our second test subject we had an individual who was raised in a single parent home, with no father. He first expressed sorrow and remorse for his mother, and almost accepted all the aspects of his life because of the bad hand she had been dealt.  His mother worked 2 jobs to make ends meet, and she was basically not around to raise him.  Obviously she also did not have enough money to provide after school care or programs.  This individual spoke largely about the pain he felt inside that was clearly written on his mothers face.  He felt desperate, and he wished he could make it better for her, but he felt like he didn't have the tools.  He talked about having no positive role models, and slowly but surely he started hanging around other single parent or unsupervised kids, and one thing led to another.  An older dealer from the neighborhood took him under his wing, told him if he sold some product he'd be able to help his mother and family, and the rest is history.  He engaged in a life of street crime because it was all he was ever taught.  Nobody was around to teach him anything different.  For years he walked through life as a criminal and majorly hurting individual.  Finally he wanted to stop, and he decided talking about it was the best way.  As he sums it up, "I felt like it was my mom and me against the world, nobody helped us, nobody cared, and many people knew what we were going through, it's not like we are the only ones!"  He has a lot of pent up anger and hurt, mostly because when he was a child he couldn't properly analyze his feelings, and basically we have no clue at that age.  The part that struck me the most was when he described the feeling of how if someone saw him at 13 selling drugs, which was when he started, they would probably discipline him, but also they would teach him why it was wrong, and how it would negatively impact his whole life.  Yet if they saw him again at 19, he would be just a statistic, another criminal that the world wants to lock away, instead of helping him get the resources or the help he needed.

The third individual, who was raised in a fairly normal environment and coming from a successful family, was the victim of failing to live up to his families expectations.  As he describes it, his father had big ideas for his son and they didn't match with his personal ideas.  As soon as this was apparent his father and extended family would mock him and tease him repeatedly.  His father especially would tell him he would never amount to anything, he was worthless, and he would ask him if he wanted the whole world to think he was stupid.  He said it was like he was an embarrassment to the family and especially his father.  "Eventually around 12 or 13, my father just ignored me completely.  For the better part of 3 years prior to that he had no idea what I was doing majority of the time, I only remember dealing with my father on vacations and when I got in trouble."  He also talked about running away several times, or trying to, before the age of 15.  "I hated my father because I was certain he hated me, and it crushed me inside!  He would have battles with a 13 year old and I guess he thought a pre-teen could handle adult type fighting, if that makes sense." During one of the stints running away, he was sexually assaulted several times by a family friend who was not much older than him.  He acknowledges now that the idea of staying at a house and being assaulted like that as payment for a bed as being a reasonable trade off to him in order to stay away from his own home, is a very scary thought.  "I must have been in a pretty dark place." 

By 16 he was sent to live in a group home and obviously he did not encounter the best scenario's there.  While being there he met many criminals and deviants, and one of the social workers sexually assaulted him.  I wonder if that alone would be enough to send a kid into a world of despair, hatred, isolation, I don't know?? 

By 19 he was off on his own in Los Angeles and he found all the drama, pain, and crime many could ever deal with including the loss of 2 friends to street violence, an evening or two in county lock up, criminal activities, and the loss of friends to the sex trades and drugs because they were lost souls that weren't as strong as he was, as he described.  All this before the ripe age of 21, what should we expect of this young man, and do you want to lock him up, or do you want to hug him and help him?  He has now written a book on his life, and has dedicated himself to creating more awareness, but most importantly creating prevention, when it comes to dealing with adolescences, pre-teens, teenagers, and young adults who desperately need and want the help.  "Not too many people I ever met on the streets dreamed of being there, it was never as glorious as it looks on TV and in music videos."

In closing, all 3 subjects, who initially each thought they had it the worst, agreed that they all seemed to end up in the same place, even though their beginnings were very different!  Do you know anybody that falls into one of these categories?  What are your thoughts and opinions.  Please continue to share because I truly believe that communication is the first, and biggest step we can take.  By the way, in case you hadn't figured it out yet, the 3rd subject is me!


9 comments:

  1. I think those are all very bad scenarios, it's like saying do you want to be murdered with an gun or a knife, all are bad and no one deserves them, but can you really compare and choose the lesser of evils?

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  2. Food for thought, and I like your "right in the face" analogy. I think the more we can learn about these scenarios, the better chance we have to prevent them. I believe many of the problems we as a society face could be largely offset by paying closer attention to the young adults, teens, and adolescents.

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  3. We can't know which scenario would have the most negative outcome. It all depends on the individual child and how that child copes. All children need a safe person to talk and vent to and if neither one of the childs parents are that safe person then it will negatively affect the child regardless of what the family dynamic is. I think that in the schools there should be more of an emphasis on educating children on how to cope, where and who to turn to if they are feeling low. We are so concerned about our children learning mathematical problems that they will never use in their practical lives and we are not concerned about teaching real-life skills such as how to manage money and our thoughts and feelings. What if we had a class dedicated soley to sharing how we feel and what to do about the negative aspects of our lives. Children would learn that there are others out there that feel the same as them. Children should be encouraged to speak up and share their fears, hopes, dreams and ideas. That way we can help provide them with the kind of support they need and put them on the path to success. Let them know they are not alone, they are special, and people give a damn!

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  4. My heart goes out to the individuals in each of these cases; however, to ask which of these individuals would be more wounded is to ask which of the following: an egg, an orange or an apple if dropped from the CN Tower which would make the biggest mess.

    It has been my experience that children can be quite resilient; moreover, having been the eldest child of 5, a single mom of 3 and an advocate for hundreds, I can tell you that I have yet to see a child, young person or adult in any of the above situations not have at least one if not more positive people in their lives at any point in their lives hadn't made some positive difference great or small. I'm not saying that those scenarios are not horrible because they are; and, I am not saying that these individuals (as children) had any control over the choices and behaviors of the adults in their lives because they didn't. What I AM saying is that as we grow and mature we have choices over which mindset we will take....we can choose to maintain the outlook of a victim or we can choose the outlook of a warrior.

    The scenarios that you mention above, in each of these stories it is only mentioned the main characters but it fails to mention all the extras in a persons life....teacher, neighbour, friend, friends parents, doctor, employer, etc. etc. Your own story, although mentions minimal details of other characters in your life it doesn't mention any of the positive people in your life. There must have been at least one given the successes you've experienced in your life as an adult...which I commend you for by the way.

    The analogy I mentioned earlier about the egg, the orange and the apple. What becomes of them is all dependent on what happens to them on the way down. Are any of them intercepted? Do any of them land on a soft service ie water? What are the weather conditions when they were dropped and did conditions change while they were falling? The same thing goes for children, youth and yes even adults because a person CAN change if given the right circumstances and if the desire for a change exists also.

    I agree with you that education, love and affection is key in the way children turn out; however, that being said, there is much to say about faith, love, and religion also...the existence of which so many choose to not mention for fear of offending or out of a desire to be politically correct. There are so many variables when trying to determine the perfect environment in which a child should be raised .....but no one is perfect. Whether we want to believe it or not some folks refuse to see things in a different light no matter how hard one tries to help, at any age, and they continue to fall down this dark tunnel until they hit rock bottom and DECIDE to start swimming UP, asking for help, and working on changing their circumstances.

    A child, by the time they've reached the age of 5 has already developed their rubrix from which all other experiences of the same will be measured. However, that's not to say that this rubric can NEVER be re-written because it can, if the person chooses to allow it to change.

    To be honest, I believe in the age old saying that it takes a village to raise a child. If EVERYONE cared to help at least one other person each and every day of their lives...putting someone else first before themselves...we wouldn't have as many hurting people in the world yet ....you will always find at least one person in the mix that "doesn't" want to be helped no matter what the age.

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  5. Caramia.....
    good comments in a thoughtful presentation, but nothing was more valid than your last paragraph: "it takes a village to raise a child. If EVERYONE cared to help at least one other person each and every day of their lives...putting someone else first before themselves...we wouldn't have as many hurting people in the world yet ....you will always find at least one person in the mix that "doesn't" want to be helped no matter what the age."
    EVERY idea!

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  6. I think to compare whose life is the worst is self-defeating. Few people in this world can say they were able to coast by with little to no problems. After your parents have or havent nutured you, at some point how you turn out to be is up to you. There's absolutely no doubt that in a perfect world, these kids would get all the love and support they need and that's something we need to work on as a society but for now as things stand, we have to almost raise ourselves and find our own examples.

    I experienced trauma as a child, definitely had no real parent affection or attention and as a teenager i chose not to be like them, not to let their mistakes ruin my life and went the other way on my own.

    It sucks that this is what the world has come to, but until we find ways to make the change and raise kids better, those of us who are now adults have to just play cards we were dealt and do better for own kids.

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  7. Unfortunately, there is no diploma required to have kids and then how to best provide and raise them. Its sad, as this truly is one of the most important thing we choose to do in our lives and yet many do it blindly. Ultimately it the kids who suffer and only their personalities will determine how they handle these different scenarios.

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  8. Caramiaplus3 is right on the money
    You are my weekly nominee for CaramiaPlus1000 - and it sounds like in a way, you have that number already.
    Short fixes, easy reasons, available nemesis, single cause - they all fit the instant gratification, short attention span of today's world.
    Rubrix, matrix, paradigm, web; it does not matter how you frame it - me, them, us, are the sum of all that happens in our lifetime and not the result of IT, IT being one impact-filled event or relationship.
    Much of what you write rings true and touches the heart.
    In this case, while still doing so, it misses the dimension and looks for an easy answer.

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  9. I enjoyed all of your comments, and I thank you for your contributions. I definitely agree that when it comes to being an adult we all have the ability to choose, all I was trying to articulate is that if as children and pre teens/teenagers we don't have a lot of support and positivity, and that leads us to other potential dangers, you can lose the ability to view things the same way others would. Clearly you would agree with me that an 18 year old girl who had been sexually attacked in a parking lot would be a lot more cautious and nervous as a 35 year old woman, than one who had never been attacked!? If you become isolated or afraid as a child, and the line between right and wrong becomes blurred, it can take a long time and a lot of work before that can be repaired. It's a lot easier to forget what we once were as kids or teenagers when we are adults, it's not as easy to have actually worked through or overcame those things. We don't have to be warrior's, it's okay to ask for help, its okay to feel weak, down, or overwhelmed. The more we think we have to be warriors the more we are at risk. For 25 years I thought being a warrior was the way, and it got me no where. The moment I started asking for help, and talking about my past and how it affects me still in certain aspects, that makes one a warrior. A true Warrior always depends on his team for support, strngth and safety!! Thank you all again.

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